METALLICA’s ‘…And Justice For All’ Album Mixer Says LARS ULRICH’s Drums Sounded Like ‘A**’

Metallica With Jason Newsted

In a new interview with Dean CramerSteve Thompson, a prominent music producer who has worked with a vast array of rock icons, including GUNS N’ ROSESKORN and SOUNDGARDEN, spoke about the mixing sessions for METALLICA‘s 1988 album, …And Justice For All, and the criticism that record has received for the bass parts being nearly inaudible.

While …And Justice For All is considered one of METALLICA‘s classics, it has been criticized almost since the day it was released in 1988 for the lack of any bass guitar on the record. Newsted‘s playing is virtually buried in the mix — and many fans feel that drummer Lars Ulrich, who had very specific ideas for how he wanted his drums to sound, is to blame.

Thompson now: “We did the project up at Bearsville, New York — we worked on an SSL [console] up at Bearsville studios. And Lars originally came in with a whole EQ setup chart of how he wanted his drums to sound. So Michael Barbiero, my partner, says, ‘Why don’t you work with Lars and get the drums [sounding the way he wants them to sound], and then once you do that, I’ll take care of the rest.’ So he does that. And I listened to the sounds, and I said, ‘Are you kidding me? I think this sounds like a—s.’ So anyway, I kind of re-EQed all the drums a little bit just to make ’em a little more palpable — it’s in the ear of the beholder. Then I brought the bass up, which I thought the bass was a great part because… You know what was great about [Newsted‘s] bass? It was a great marriage with [JamesHetfield‘s guitars; it was, like, they needed to work together. It was perfectly played.

“So I got the whole rhythm section together, vocals and everything like that, and then I felt, ‘Okay, now’s the time.’ Hetfield was in there, [giving] thumbs up and everything like that. Then I brought Lars in. First of all, Lars hears it for about five to ten seconds, and he goes, ‘All right, stop right there.’ He goes, ‘What happened to my drum sound?’ I basically probably said something like, ‘You were serious?’ [Laughs] So I had to rearrange the drum sound to get it to where he wanted it again. He goes, ‘Okay, see the bass?’ I go, ‘Yeah.’ ‘Drop it down in the mix.’ I said, ‘Why? It’s great.’ ‘Drop it down in the mix.’ ‘Okay.’ So I did it as a joke. [I] dropped it all the way down. He goes, ‘Drop it down another five or six dB’ from there, which could hardly hear it — you couldn’t hear it. I said, ‘Seriously?’ And I think I turned around to Hetfield, and he just went like this [raises both hands].

“And then I remember having a conversation with Cliff Burnstein and Peter Mensch who were managing them,” he recalled. “And I basically had a conversation, I said, ‘Listen, I love these guys. I think this band is f*cking amazing. I don’t agree with what they want me to do with this. And I understand, it’s their record. They should get whatever they want. We were hired to get them what they want. But I just can’t see doing this.’ And we wound up giving ’em what they want. Again, it’s not my record — it’s their record — and you have to respect their opinion. I hated it personally, because I’m a bass guy. I love bass. When we’re recording, we record the fattest basses in the world.”