Behemoth are currently on tour around Europe, and before that, they were in the United States. During a conversation with Trash Talk, Nergal talked latest album “I Loved You at Your Darkest,” his stance on organized religion, anarchism, and of course, Christianism. Take a look:
“I don’t know. Probably a person like him did exist, there’s some proof for that. I don’t believe that this person is exactly how he’s portrayed by Christians and their aesthetics, with this very noble gentle Luke and always like very vital, probably something quite an opposite.
“What is cool about it, apparently he was one of the rebels, I don’t know man. I don’t know, maybe one day, I should just pay some attention and try to think about it, but I never thought about it, and I guess that these days we’re all overwhelmed by information.
“Let’s say Jesus comes. It’s his second coming, right? And he just appears tonight, he’d be, like, in prison or just put in a mental house, or just completely ignored considering how vast and massive and overwhelming the whole information system is.
“Back then, when the population was, like, 20 times smaller or 50 times smaller, the world was that small, it was much easier to make an impact.
“It’s like, in the ’80s, you had, like, death metal bands like Possessed and Death making the statement, there were very few death metal bands, that’s it.
“Try to come out in an extreme death-metal band in this genre and make a statement and make something that’s going to be remarkable and stand-out and eventually start out a new sub-genre. Not possible. It’s all done. All we can do is interpret and mutate.
“It was much easier back then to be a rebel and eventually someone wrote about it, and then the spoken word spread and you’d eventually make a statement. These days – nah. I bet that the world is full of Christs. I’m not saying good or bad, I’m talking pretenders, charlatans, fakers, spiritual people that are maybe very honest but maybe living in India or something.
“The world is full of these people that are trying to make a statement and start a cult that’s going to reign for the next 2000 years – nuh-huh, not going to happen.
“The biggest monotheistic religions were born back then, they got the chance, they grew that big and influential, but I hardly see any chance for a new, let’s say, what’s their name, Scientology – it’s all cults, it’s still niche. It’s money and control, it all comes to one thing.
“I’m talking about ancient cults, Christianity, Hebrew tradition, Torah. The bottom line is to control the masses, make them fear so they come to us so we can control them. People love their comfort zones, that’s why they bend, that’s why they’d let someone else make decisions for them.
“The fear of the unknown. That’s what makes these, let’s call it opportunistic agendas, win over because they’d just take people and say, ‘Hey, there’s this Satan,’ or some other scapegoat, or immigrants, or this or that, ‘they are a potential enemy, they’re going to take something away from you, they’re going to rape your kids, they’re going to possess you’ or whatever.
“I’m just using a random vocabulary here to explain the methodology of the sect. It can be political or religious. What I do, I’m not giving you an answer, ‘Hey, I’ve got an alternative.’ What I do, and what I try to do with Behemoth and even on a personal civilian level is, ‘Think for yourself. Question, don’t trust anyone, including myself.’
“I try to know myself. You have balls, and you’re encouraged enough to question laws and the realities. Go for it. The road might be very difficult, and there are a lot of obstacles on the way, and it can be painful as well, but eventually, it’s going to be very gratifying; eventually, you’re going to win your freedom back.”
“Well, if you could give me the definition of what anarchism is, I would tell you. I think it’s utopian considering the world we live in. Can we truly be anarchistic? You could just say ‘fuck the system’ and you’d end up in the street. You’re homeless. You’re using your freedom to the fullest.
“Obviously, I do acknowledge the fact that I’m a slave to the system on some levels because I pay taxes, I pay bills.
“On some levels, I’m like, ‘I’m part of society. It doesn’t matter if I like it or not, it is what it is.’ The world we live in is different from what it was a few thousand years ago, but it is what it is.
“But, on spiritual and metaphysical levels, I choose to make my own decisions and I’ve set up my own laws that I’m faithful to. These laws are still very, they’re constantly evolving and dissolving.
“The only true future that I can think of now is constant change, so yeah. On some spiritual levels, maybe I am anarchistic, and it’s all about liberating yourself from the shackles of authoritarian religious concepts and stand against it because it’s not compatible with my system. I guess I explained myself here.”